You are God

topic posted Fri, January 5, 2007 - 4:52 PM by  Rekmel1
Note to self:

You are god. This may seem very egotistical, but actually it becomes clear that it’s just the opposite as you come to understand the next statement.

You are alone. This does not mean that you loose your family, friends and loved ones that gave you so much comfort throughout your life; it just means that they were never separate from you to begin with. They are within you.

Your mind creates the world around you. When you die you do not dissolve back into the world around you but instead the world dissolves back into your mind.

When you come into this world you have departed from reality into a world of illusion. You have departed from the real and eternal into the unreal and temporary. This is a paradox because you never really left in the first place. There is no reason for this journey because by its very nature something that is untrue is also unreasonable and so it is that there can be no answer to the question why. It is simply natural that you are not perfect in this world and that you grow old and die. These are the characteristics of that which is not true.

Your higher self (God) is no more concerned about this process than you are concerned about falling asleep at night or expelling a breath. In fact, this process is the breath of life itself and eternal awakening.

With love,

You
posted by:
Rekmel1
Cincinnati
  • Re: You are God

    Sun, January 7, 2007 - 11:45 AM
    This is just my attempt to lay out some thoughts. I have posted this in several other places like casting out a net to see what kinds of different perspectives I could get from people of different interests. It is just a starting point. My goal was to take my thoughts about a very broad and complex topic and try to distill them down to as few words as possible. The intention is that as the reader reads it they are speaking the words to themselves and considering the correctness or incorrectness of each statement. I thought it would be interesting to try to write something in such a way that as I am speaking to another I am also speaking to myself. It’s like standing between two mirrors and seeing reflections of yourself facing away from you stretching off into infinity and leaning forward to whisper a message into your own ear. I have more thoughts about these things in the blog on my profile. Please check it out if you get a chance.

    My thought is that God is alone. If you think of God as simply that creative force that creates things, and if you think of the space in which these things are created as a mind, then what would you call these things that have been created? I think that you would call them imaginary. This is why I say that God is alone and that all of creation is just imaginary.
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      Re: You are God

      Sun, January 14, 2007 - 5:31 PM
      If I am god then why am I suffering so much? How does God come under the control of the material things that make us suffer? Are we all god or just you?
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        Sun, January 14, 2007 - 6:05 PM
        Great question.
        Why would God ever choose limitation and suffering?
        God is strange.
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          Tue, January 16, 2007 - 2:53 PM
          I think that one way of answering this question is by asking yourself another question. If breathing in is good, then why would you ever choose to breath out. The answer as I see it is that after breathing in you have been filled with the sustenance and strength that you need which puts you in a possition where you are now capable of breathing out again. I can see a similarity to the saying that goes something like "If you love something, set it free. If it comes back to you, it is yours forever; If it does not come back it was never yours to begin with." God has no fear of letting go of these comforts of bliss, for from the viewpoint of his omnipotent perspective he can see that the rewards of thier return are great. It 's part of Gods plan to give and receive unending fulfillment, but to receive fulfillment you must first be empty.
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        Tue, January 16, 2007 - 2:33 AM
        My opinion is that you are suffering so much because your destiny is to realize the truth that you are whole and complete and that all of these troubles are what lead you home to the One. We are not all God. Only you are God and I believe that you will come to find that if you say these words to another they will still hold true because in the end you only speek to yourself.
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          Re: You are God

          Tue, January 16, 2007 - 6:44 PM
          I believe I am God and you are not, and I am the God in charge of telling you that you're philosophy is for fools. What have you got to say to that, oh ungod? And when I said I was suffering I meant I was suffering the same as everybody else in this world. We all are suffering, but who is wise enough to want to get out of this miserable world of deaths?
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            Wed, January 17, 2007 - 4:02 AM
            I agree, who among us is not a fool?
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              Re: You are God

              Wed, January 17, 2007 - 1:16 PM
              Then if you agree you are a fool why are you trying to say you are
              God?
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                Wed, January 17, 2007 - 3:44 PM
                Do you believe that you are existing on your own some place outside of God? Do you believe that there is such a place where God is not at? Does God have a boundary, or an edge and are you existing somewhere beyond God? If you believe that he does and that you are then is this not ego?

                What I am proposing is that you have been wearing the mask of an imperfect personality (or a fool if you want to call it that) for so long that you have come to believe that you are that personality. But the mask is not the truth and something that is not true cannot be eternal. When the mask comes off, all that's left is God. The mask is just a fantasy existing inside of God. God has no ego because God is alone, there is nothing that can exist outside of him for he is all there is. God is a paradox. He is both something and nothing. He is nothing in the sense that he does not exist to anything outside of himself, but to himself he is everything.
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                  Re: You are God

                  Wed, January 17, 2007 - 6:01 PM
                  Finally Rek you are saying some things I can understand. No nothing is outside of God, yet everything is outside of God at the same time. He is inside and outside of everything. We do have an ego and that real ego is our true self, not the false ego that is this temporary material body. We are trapped in our body, and are identifying ourselves with it, but we are not these bodies, we are spirit souls. And God is greater than us, He is the Supreme. We, on the other hand, are not, and are under the spell of His illusory energy.
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                    Re: You are God

                    Wed, January 17, 2007 - 9:00 PM
                    So then Brock what is liberation to you?
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                    Re: You are God

                    Thu, January 18, 2007 - 3:45 AM
                    Yes, when I say you are God I am speeking to God in you. That part of you that was the only thing that was real to begin with.
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                      Re: You are God

                      Thu, January 18, 2007 - 5:23 AM
                      You are That which you seek.
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                        Re: You are God

                        Thu, January 18, 2007 - 11:48 AM
                        What is God and what is liberation? It is described that there are two birds in one tree. One is eating the fruits of the tree and the other, his friend, is waiting for him to turn to him. The two birds are the individual and God within. God within our body is waiting for us to stop trying to enjoy His separated elements, to stop enjoying the fruits and be with Him once more. That is liberation. Liberation from our material body.
                        A dog has his body, and with that body he can smell a female dog, he can bite the legs of another dog that is enjoying sex with a dog he wants to enjoy with, he can use his intelligence to find food by following his senses, his nose. He can listen to his master, if he has one. But is he free? Or is he forced to act due to his identification with his body?
                        Real freedom means no longer identifying with this material body and going back to our original position as a servant of the Supreme. Then our activities will have actual meanings and not just illusory ones.
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                          Re: You are God

                          Thu, January 18, 2007 - 11:53 AM
                          Another example I have heard is that of a gold ring. The gold ring has all the qualities of the gold in the mine. But we can't say that the amount of gold in the ring equals that in the mine. It has the same qualities but in minute quantity. So it is with the soul and God. God is infintie while we are infinitesmal.
                          There is also the example of a drop of saltwater. A drop of saltwater has the same qualities as the entire ocean, but we can't say the drop equals the whole ocean. These examples are to help us understand our actual situation, not to be taken apart and turned around just for the sake of argument.
                          • Re: You are God

                            Thu, January 18, 2007 - 4:26 PM
                            Thank you for your thoughts.
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                              Thu, January 18, 2007 - 5:57 PM
                              So Brock I see no disagreement with Rekmel.
                              Is this true?
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                                Thu, January 18, 2007 - 7:10 PM
                                I have a somewhat different way of looking at it, but I think that’s ok.
                                I like much of what brock had to say and I appreciate him taking the time to share his thoughts, but I would word some parts differently.

                                My view is that the bird that is feeding on the fruits doesn’t return to find another but instead only finds his true self. He finds that he serves no other than himself for One is all there is.
                                He also finds that the barrier that he believed to be around himself, causing him to be something finite in the midst of the infinite vanishes as well and he realizes he is infinite.
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                                  Re: You are God

                                  Thu, January 18, 2007 - 7:25 PM
                                  The drop returns to the ocean.
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                                    Thu, January 18, 2007 - 7:43 PM
                                    Exacly....or the drop realized that it only imagined that it left the ocean.
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                                      Thu, January 18, 2007 - 7:53 PM
                                      I would like to return.
                                      Been meditating for like 20 years.
                                      How can I go deeper? Or walk through the door?
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                                        Thu, January 18, 2007 - 8:00 PM
                                        I posted that last comment twice by mistake.

                                        You have given yourself a great gift to be able to return to the Truth. The point is not to hurry to the conclusion, but rather to cherish the discovery and the awakening and the knowing of where you are going. Keep meditating and enjoy life. You have laid out a plan for yourself and you will get where your going exactly when you should.
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                                      Re: You are God

                                      Thu, January 18, 2007 - 7:56 PM
                                      Or, the drop chooses to leave to experience the pang of dissolution, and the joy of re-union.
                                      An answer to the " why do we suffer " question.
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                                    Thu, January 18, 2007 - 7:53 PM
                                    Exacly....or the drop realized that it only imagined that it left the ocean and that it was not the ocean.
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                                      Re: You are God

                                      Fri, January 19, 2007 - 12:00 PM
                                      Or the drop gets swallowed up by a fish in the ocean. The ocean is full of aquatics who would love to swallow it up. I know I am breaking away from my own example but that's just the way it is. We are not God, we are His parts and parcels, His servants, spirit souls. The abc's of spiritual life are:
                                      a. God is our creator
                                      b. We are created by God
                                      c. Our nature is to serve God
                                      But what is the use of all this conversation? I see you won't accept this just based on my word.
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                                        Fri, January 19, 2007 - 6:03 PM
                                        I hear what you are saying.
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                                          Sat, January 20, 2007 - 11:09 AM
                                          What is happening is we are coming from our belief systems.
                                          A Hindu sees no problem that we are God,
                                          but a Christian or Muslim may find that offensive.
                                          And a Buddhist won't even believe in God.
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                                            Re: You are God

                                            Sat, January 20, 2007 - 12:51 PM
                                            Some Hindus believe that there is a God, one God, and our nature is to serve Him. We are not Him, He is Paramatma, the Supersoul, while we are simply jivas, or regular living entities. Some Muslims think the idea of God having a personal form as offensive, while others do not. Some Christians also think God has a form. Buddha denied the books in India altogether, that is where he was from, and told his followers not to kill or eat meat supporting their killing with the Vedic literatures. Christ also said "Do not kill', although very few so-called Christians admit it, because they also want to eat meat. Even some Hindus eat meat to this day and justify their habit by saying it is an offering to the Goddess Kali and so on.
                                            But all belief systems can be seen as one by a person who knows the reasoning behind them. For example, a math teacher tells his second grade students two plus two equals four. And he tells his third graders two times two equals four. It is all math, but to the child in second grade it seems to be two different things, especially when you tell them about algebra, which they cannot understand yet. Everything is understandable within different systems to one who knows the highest philosophies about God.
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                                              Sat, January 20, 2007 - 2:49 PM
                                              Brock my belief is that we serve God with our destiny and choices.
                                              Our intentions of goodness are serving God.
                                              And then when we develop and grow to the point that we become liberated
                                              we become one with God as if we are coming home.
                                              We go back to God and become one with God.
                                              That is not to say we created God, or have more power than God.
                                              We merge back.
                                              God will always be God.
                                              God created life and the universe itself.
                                              As humans we don't even know how to get a job, a relationship, etc.!
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                                                Re: You are God

                                                Wed, January 24, 2007 - 1:59 PM
                                                that's nice andrew, but there is another philosophy in the bible, the Koran, and various other books of knowledge, of a personal form of God. Need I quote from the Koran verse by verse? Allah has names, hands, eyes(he sees all) sits on a throne,all these acts are performed in His body which is not limited but one hundred percent spiritual. How can we love God if he does not exist?

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